The Goons welcome on Steve Holz who was recently on Alex’s podcast The Alex Kraemer Program. Steve talks to us about his favorite album from his favorite artist, Red by Taylor Swift. This is only the second Taylor Swift album Alex has ever listened to, but Steve and Matt are humongous fans. Going through the album, we discuss how this album is a pinnacle moment in Taylors career and set her up for her future sound. Alex get's a lot of his Taylor Swift quandaries answered and we all have a great time discussing the album. We also grow to appreciate her even more. Enjoy!